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Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:46 am

My god, some of the comments from non-SBG players irritate me...

From the comments on GW's facebook page on a photo of a guy who bought the Hobbit Ultimate Bundle (all the new releases) for £447.

"that's lame, Hobbit's minis are no rivals for Warhammer."

I can't read that with a straight face.

"I wonder if he will regret it when he won't find anyone to play with..."

God these people have short memories...and they're bloody ungrateful. The hype and public exposure to all things Tolkien generated by the first LOTR trilogy brought huge influxes of new gamers and hobbyists to Gamesworkshop. I'd say without the huge profits made off the SBG, GW wouldn't have been able to bring out half of the Warhammer Fantasy and 40K releases in the last decade. This next trilogy should bring another influx of new players (unless GW screws up, which I think is highly likely).

Besides, the guy buying the bundle might just be a painter and collector, and not even play the game (likely, considering he looks at least 50).

"After you're dong cashing in on "the Hobbit", please get some more 40k codecies out!"

As if 40K hasn't had enough Codicies in the last decade.

" overpriced models for a dead system? totally worth it."

That applies to all things GW. Overpriced and dead or dying (slowly at least).

" hey, lord of the rings fans, its a dead range, dead system, accept it. great books and great movies though."

and another from the same guy.

"i think GW just wants to cash in. i think they'd make more if they went to work on the dwarves, wood elves, or bretonnians from fantasy"

Funny that. GW "cashing in" on the LOTR films helped fund at least half of the Warhammer Fantasy and 40K releases over the last decade.



Whats everyone elses general experience of non-SBG players/hobbyists? (only counting GW customers). Are they as stupid, shortsighted and arrogant as the people I quoted?

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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:32 am

Yeah, my post was the last one on that facebook thread. haha
I should begin a 40K and WHF bashing to commence with the first release they make, I can't keep being nice and have them mention codex's and dark angels every time a LOTR post is made (like 1/25 of total posts on WDtoday). Why not. I sold all my WHF stuff to buy more LOTR with. I never bought a single 40K mini. I don't have anything against them but I can make some up. I think all the swords in WHF look rediculous. All the orcs look goofy (in 40K too). I have never seen a model outside of chaos armies that looked menacing. I certainly don't think that the elves, orcs adn bretonians would replace LOTR models ever on my shelf. And 100% for sure that after the Hobbit is done I will NOT be starting up WHF, so those 'fans' are dreaming and should put the lids back on the superglue or open a window.
What I like about their systems is that it invloves models and painting skill like my hobby. That is about it. The 40kers are sooooooo lucky that GW never bought into Star Wars IP, cause that would bring more fans with absolute rediculous loyalty (even if it was another system that 'didn't sell) that would rip into them from every forum and angle til 40K was waving a white flag of truce just to make it stop.
ha ha ha. All in good fun though. Actually it is better to just smile and laugh that these guys have nothing better to do but sit on Face book and wait for more attention and try and demand it on every post GW makes. Where is my codex, where is my codex, where is my codex....
Soon I will be like a broken record and keep saying "when are you going to post more LOTR or Hobbit stuff and release more models instead of these games I would never play?"
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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:08 am

"I wonder if he will regret it when he won't find anyone to play with..."

God these people have short memories...and they're bloody ungrateful. The hype and public exposure to all things Tolkien generated by the first LOTR trilogy brought huge influxes of new gamers and hobbyists to Gamesworkshop.


I know that that's how I ended up with GW.
But seriously, Some people just make want to go on a murder spree.
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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:12 am

Sithious wrote:Yeah, my post was the last one on that facebook thread. haha


Ah so you're Joshua G. ? Now I can put a face to your name. :D Shall I send a friend request?

I made a post on the photo itself rather than the post. " Adolfo, who the hell do you think you are to tell other people what games they should be playing?" I was going to rant a lot longer and be considerably ruder but thought better of it.

Roland of the dunedain wrote:I know that that's how I ended up with GW.


Likewise. I remember playing my first game on the floor of a dormitory at a youth camp when I was on a youth adventure week with my church's youth group. From the moment my friend brought out his unpainted Warriors of Minas Tirith and Mordor Orcs, I was hooked. 10 years later I'm still playing yet hes quit.

I didn't start Warhammer 40K till 5 years later after I was introduced to LOTR SBG, back in 2008 with 5th Edition. Nowadays, I wish I hadn't bothered.

Roland of the dunedain wrote:But seriously, Some people just make want to go on a murder spree.


I know the feeling...

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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:41 am

You can send a request if you want. I don't post alot on FB, mostly stuff about my daughter since I have family on there. Most of my friends on there are painters from around the world (collect the whole set, ha ha).
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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:09 am

Sent you a friend request Sithious. My name is also Joshua. :)

Another comment by that last jerk I quoted...

"dude, seriously, @trung, 2 items on my list top $100, the rest are $50 or below. pretty standard for the hobby. also, its a fricking gift list man, i buy my own stuff man, i have friends and family with a christmas spirit that want to buy me stuff.

@josh (responding to me) i didnt say what games anyone should or shouldnt be playing, i just said its a dead system and should be a specialist game. i just dont feel like this adds anything to the game.

@levi i havent made a comment about anyones finances nor did i say what he should do it with it. you need to learn to read bud.

it wouldnt sting, and you wouldnt be so upset if it wasnt true."

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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:18 pm

When confronted with narrow-minded folk like these 40K players seem to be, merely ask them what their point of reference is. If they have only ever played 40K then their opinion is worthless. If they've tried both 40K and LOTR:SBG then they can compare the two directly. Only when they've played multiple games systems (and NOT just GW ones) can they truly opine on the merits of 40K (or we about LOTR for that matter).

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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:30 pm

typhoon2 wrote:When confronted with narrow-minded folk like these 40K players seem to be, merely ask them what their point of reference is. If they have only ever played 40K then their opinion is worthless. If they've tried both 40K and LOTR:SBG then they can compare the two directly. Only when they've played multiple games systems (and NOT just GW ones) can they truly opine on the merits of 40K (or we about LOTR for that matter).

Or you can burn down their house.
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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:20 pm

Always reject stupid hypotheses by introducing actual facts.
Following list is from Tymell @WarSeer (guy who made lists of all releases of the three core games, so he knows what he's talking about.. don't think he even plays LotR by the way)
For the record, and for anyone who wants to rebuff this "LOTR gets in the way of 40K/Fantasy" argument:

LOTR arrived at the end of 2001. Since 1997 we've had the following numbers of new books/expansions/editions for Fantasy and 40K:
1997: 4
1998: 7
1999: 5
2000: 6
2001: 7
2002: 5
2003: 6
2004: 6
2005: 5
2006: 7
2007: 5
2008: 9
2009: 6
2010: 7
2011: 7

I'm not seeing much of a dip after 2001.

In the 10 years since LOTR came out, there have been seven months without some kind of releases for 40K or Fantasy, and only five that featured LOTR releases instead. 5 months out of 120. Hardly crippling the other games, is it?


In terms of LotR funding Warhammer releases, lbecks posted this @WarSeer:
Post-LOTR was a big worry for the company coupled with poor investment choices during the early 2000's. They don't mention number of units sold but the price rises were done to bring back profits that they were losing from 2005-2008.

Yearly profit (pounds million):
2000: ~75 I don't have exact numbers for the next years
2001: ~85-90
2002: ~110-115
2003: 129.1
2004: 151.8 Peak of LOTR, LOTR brings in almost double from when it started
2005: 136.6
2006: 115.2
2007: 111.5
2008: 110.3
2009: 125.7 Price increases
2010: 126.5
2011: 123.1
2012: 131.0

It's going to be interesting to see what 2013 brings with the first Hobbit movie.

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Re: Ignorance and hatred of non- SBG players

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:51 pm

15 years of experience tells me that his type of activity (miniature gaming) attracts a lot of stupid people. Since 40k has the biggest community the get the biggest amount of retards.

I can find it tiring to discuss things with people who only play one minis game and take it very seriously. Esp some 40k players are obsessed with discussing powerful lists. Everything else like beautiful paintjobs, good rules and bad rules, terrain and so not interesting to them.

But overall most people are nice and friendly.

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